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I use Visual Studio 2003 for my site. I only use it for the features you mentioned except for the office shortcuts (not sure if they work???). I don't use any of the other features. The properties window is very cool; it allows you to see all of the properties for a certain object when you select it. FrontPage is good but in my opinion once you switch to .NET you will want to use VS to manage the code behind files. I've read that Whidbey will have a template feature that allows you to more easily add repetitive items on your site to each page (i.e. a navigation menu). I can't wait for Whidbey for this one feature in itself.

It's really easy to see where eclispe is going, here's a simple formula:

1) start with the most recent version of VS

2) step back 3 years

3) see what features existed

4) there you go

See Dylan it's not about what features are in Eclipse, per se. "It's the economy^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H plug-ins stupid!"

Again, that's the beauty of the open source community: choice rules over productivity.

I love java, I love eclipse, but VS is way more innovative and productive than any java ide out there. And yes, I know VS doesn't support refactoring like IntelliJ and eclipse do, but there's a ton of cool base productivity features that IntelliJ and Eclispe haven't stolen, uh, *borrowed* from VS yet.

Eclipse and visual studio are different things.

Eclipse is a Java EDITOR and Visual Studio is a complete development environment. With eclipse you edit code and then you deploy (and sometimes compile) that in the sun microsystems way (by hand) while with visual studio you do all the things in the same place.

But editing code eclipse is a lot better than visual studio. Have you seen the new 3.0M9 version? It has a lot more intellisense than Visual Studio. It has many many more options to solve small things like you forgot to catch an exception or you assigned a variable with a value of another type.

I wonder what it would be if it were a development environment.

Thanks Jose - I've looked at 3.0M9 and I've also played with Visual Studio 2005 (a beta of the next major release).

The intellisense is still better in the new visual studio - when you have an error it doesn't just tell you that you forgot a ;, you can click on one link to go to that line or another to just fix it by adding the ; and continue.

I also have two monitors and not being able to drag sidebars to the other monitor in Eclipse M9 is kind of a pain, and the funky non-Windows UI is somewhat jarring. They use SWT to take advantage of the native controls, but then don't use the native controls?

I still think Eclipse has potential and I'm looking forward to M10.

I still think

Please, don't waste your time in religious wars. Eclipse is one thing, and VS is another thing. Both products are very good, and both have upsides and downsides. Be practical and use the product you feel more comfortable with.

Greetings

I've been using a little bit VS but almost no eclipse , i like the borland IDE's, Jbuilder and c++ builder, first it's creepy to see too many buttons but probably you won't use many of them and after a short time, you'll get the basics and discover neat things, it's the same in VS, but I didn't like VS because it was missing a couple of things I think really help while developing

-Refactoring, many times you have som nasty code and refactoring really helps,

-Instant API, heh i like this one since it's very unlikely to be a person who memorize the whole API documentation functions etc, you know functions are there etc. but typing an object and then displaying what functions it had PLUS the breif description of it and parameters it's really good.

-Typo-checking, many times you type boolaen instead of boolean, and since there's only one boolean it's nice to have the ide show the typo before compiling and getting a cryptic non-undesrstadable compiler error or warning message, Plus some IDES even scan and keep track of your custom data types and functions so even if you mistype one you made it tells, hey I don't see these function anywhere in your code!

i think those 3 are the best 3 things i look for in and IDE, plus it would be great it VS redesigned it's error messages in c++ :) since missing a ";" will spawn like 4536 errors from keyword not found to your computer is overheating and i don't detect ice cubes nearby..

Jose, I'm not looking to start a flame war, but Eclipse is not an editor. To quote their whitepaper (http://www.eclipse.org/whitepapers/eclipse-overview.pdf):

"The Eclipse Platform is designed for building integrated development environments (IDEs) that can be used to create applications as diverse as web sites, embedded Java(tm) programs, C++ programs, and Enterprise JavaBeans(tm) .... The Eclipse Platform is an IDE for anything, and for nothing in particular."

So Eclipse "has-a" (composition) a Java editor.

Visual Studio 2005